New Table Design - Dungeons

[Strongy]

As per other areas, here is the slimlined Dungeon Record table. I haven't done ANY checks yet - but please let me know if you see something anyway.
Posting so people can see (as not sure if dungeon players necessarily look at the other tables), and so the formatting saves. imho this is actually the best table for the update, given lots of pure submissions and current/all time overlap
I removed some of the ties in the table to conform to the rule of "a tie isn't posted unless it also beats the second based record". In particular, this impacts Fronis Irontoe's lair. I hope this doesnt cause too much outrage, but as ever - let me know if it does.
Tentatively - I think a "Full Run" Slavers Exile category should exist - similar to "Sorrow's Furnace" in Elite areas. I would think the Slaver's Exile would be more popular to go for though
As ever, feedback welcome


Dungeon Records

Objective	Party	[TAS]	[TAS]	[PURE]	[PURE]
	Size	Minutes	Seconds	Minutes	Seconds
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Catacombs of Kathandrax
	3	3min [亡囗囗大]	5:52 [亡囗囗大]
	2	4min [dp]	6:53 [dp]
	1	6min [Aria]		6min [Aria]	8:14 [Aria]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Rragar's Menagerie
	6	4min [Loco/亡囗囗大]	5:59 [Loco/亡囗囗大]
	2	6min [dp]	8:25 [dp]
	1	10min [Aria]	12:25 [Aria]	11min [Aria]	13:17 [Aria]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Cathedral of Flames
	2	3min [dp]	4:51 [dp]
	1	4min [dp]	6:45 [dp]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Ooze Pit
	2	2min [dp]	2:59 [dp]	3min [-] [-]	3:23 [PhD/亡囗囗大]
	1	4min [モvェム]	4:34 [-]	4min [BoMB]	4:57 [BoMB]
		[亡囗囗大] [low] [-]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Darkrime Delves
	3	4min [dp]	6:27 [dp]
	2			6min [Loa/SenT]	8:40 [Loa/SenT]
	1			7min [db]	9:42 [db]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Frostmaw's Burrows
	3	5min [IT]	9:08 [IT]
	2	6min [IT/ConS]	10:05 [IT/ConS]
	1	7min [亡囗囗大]	10:53 [亡囗囗大]	8min [Aria]	11:58 [Aria]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Sepulchre of Dragrimmar
	2	1min [dp]	2:46 [dp]	2min [NooB]	3:44 [NooB]
	1	2min [dp]	3:44 [dp]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Raven's Point
	3		8:29 [-]
	2	6min [dp]	8:40 [dp]
	1	13min [dp]	15:50 [dp]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Vloxen Excavations
	2	5min [dp]	7:37 [dp]
	1	13min [dp]	15:13 [dp]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Bogroot Growths
Khabuus
	8		4:44 [亡囗囗大]
	3	3min [-]	4:54 [-]
	1	6min [-]	7:24 [-]
Z'him Monns
	3	3min [亡囗囗大]	4:47 [亡囗囗大]
	2	4min [dp] [亡囗囗大]	5:40 [亡囗囗大]
	1	6min [Loco]	7:21 [Loco]	6min [Loco]	7:43 [Loco]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Bloodstone Caves
	3		2:27 [亡囗囗大]
	2	0min [dp]	2:32 [dp]	1min [Loa/SenT]	3:32 [Loa/SenT]
	1	1min [dp]	3:26 [dp]	2min [dp]	4:30 [dp]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Shards of Orr
	4	4min [-]	6:08 [-]
	3	5min [dp]	7:26 [dp]
	2	6min [dp]	8:47 [dp]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Oola's Lab
	2	3min [dp]	5:17 [dp]
	1	4min [モvェム] [亡囗囗大]	6:38 [亡囗囗大]	4min [dp]	6:43 [dp]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Arachni's Haunt
	2	5min [FaaG/Y트트T]	6:15 [FaaG/Y트트T]	5min [FaaG/Y트트T]	6:39 [FaaG/Y트트T]
	1	6min [FaaG]	7:16 [FaaG]	7min [FaaG]	7:22 [FaaG]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Slaver's Exile
Full Run
Duncan the Black
Justiciar Thommis
	2	1min [dp]	1:59 [dp]
	1	2min [SdR]	2:29 [SdR]
Rand Stormweaver
	2	1min [dp]	1:48 [dp]
	1	2min [SdR]	2:55 [SdR]
Selvetarm
	2	3min [dp]	3:52 [dp]
Forgewight
	2	2min [dp]	2:47 [dp]
	1	4min [SdR]	4:58 [SdR]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Fronis Irontoe's Lair
	1	1min [-] [FBGM]		1min [Zraw] [IT]	1:46 [IT]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Lair of the Snowmen
	2	3min [IT]	3:36 [IT]
	1	4min [IT]	4:48 [IT]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Heart of the Shiverpeaks
	2	2min [FaaG/亡囗囗大]	4:38 [FaaG/亡囗囗大]
	1		6:58 [モvェム]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------
Legacy
Rragar's Menagerie
	2	5min [-]	7:23 [-]
Ooze Pit
	1	3min [SenT]	3:56 [SenT]
Darkrime Delves
	1	6min [-]	8:47 [-]
Vloxen Excavations
	8	4min [DL]	6:33 [DL]
Bogroot Growths - Khabuus
	2	4min [DS]	5:42 [DS]
	1			7min [BoMB]	8:16 [BoMB]
Shards of Orr
	8	2min [Zwag] [trip]	4:59 [Zwag] [trip]
	2	4min [-]	6:59 [-]
	1			15min [eee]	16:45 [eee]
Oola's Lab
	1	3min [SenT]	5:37 [SenT]	4min [dp]	6:43 [dp]
Slaver's Exile - Duncan
	1			1min [ミミミズ]	1:53 [ミミミズ]
------------------------------------	----------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------	---------------------------

[Aria]

this table is fucked

[Aria]

you have merged alltime with current meta ? most of those records are not beatable from the past because of game update thats why the tables changed . this is ridiculous

[Strongy]

I’m definitely less familiar with dungeons, so not surprised there are some issues.
Whilst I’m not a dungeon player, I have played a while and I wouldn’t know where to begin with what records are/aren’t beatable due to meta.
Therefore I am keen to increase the readability and transparency of the tables. My hope is that the “Legacy” section of the elite area tables does this really well- it celebrates the original records and the fastest areas achieved, whilst making it clear they’re likely to never be beaten.
Instead of just saying “it’s fucked” feel free to be more specific with where I have misunderstood and help. Thee is a reason I provide time for feedback because I am genuinely willing to listen, but this isn’t helpful feedback being provided at the moment that I can take action on easily.

[BackTwoBaySix]

I don't really understand what we are celebrating with regards to legacy records, how shit they were in easier metas? Why not "celebrate" all the other shit and beaten records that have been beaten in old metas as well? The 10/10 times on the UW legacy dhuum records are slower than the 10/10 times in current meta records.

I also liked the differentiation between current / all time so I could never look at all time records that aren't relevant anymore. Also I'm never gonna run for a record that I can't break because some dumb ass had necrotic traversal 15 years ago

[Aria]

well the previous tables you have done ended up fine but this one is fucked , that's not to be personal towards you

you need to keep current meta and alltime seperate *then* renew the tables for each , as it is now you have deleted a ton of records + ties for records that are old-meta and not eligible to share the same table

those records contain bugs and exploits not possible now and that's why we had a seperate table for current meta

[Strongy]

I want to retain the differentiation between whats possible today vs what was possible in the past due to bugs/exploits - I have no intention of getting rid of that. I definitely missed a fair few of these in a table I have less familiarity with, let me work through.
I dont think duplicated tables is the answer for all time and current meta though. I am hoping a section of "legacy" will still work - bear with me whilst I give a few things a try

[Strongy]

Okay - havent done a detailed second review so might be a couple of issues still - but before I spend ages looking - does this general idea work (edited in first post)?
Alternatively, I could put the runs in italics & grey or something if you think it looks better within each respective section (example below):

If not - do you have an alternative idea that doesnt involve a huge amount of duplication?

Objective	Party	[TAS]	[TAS]	[PURE]	[PURE]
	Size	Minutes	Seconds	Minutes	Seconds
------------------------------------	-----------	--------------------------	--------------------------	--------------------------	--------------------------
Shards of Orr
	8	2min [Zwag] [trip]	4:59 [Zwag] [trip]
	4	4min [-]	6:08 [-]
	3	5min [dp]	7:26 [dp]
	2	4min [-] 6min [dp]	6:59 [-] 8:47 [dp]
	1			15min [eee]	16:45 [eee]

italics denotes a run that is no longer possible due to game updates (e.g. Necrotic Traversal nerf).