Rule update

[Luke]

i said read cheating tho... and under cheating u can understand anything that gives you an advantage over someone who isnt cheating.
This is what this discussion is all about right? cheating?

For example the /age macro is really usefull to know you exact time and to /age easier. I don't see how it's a cheat

For example: someone that does not know the exact time will never be able to tell if he or she will be in time for the desired goal as good as someone who does.
As a result of this the person without the timer or age macro would lose more time as the person with the timer or age macro would just resign given the fact that he knows for sure hes too slow. Another advantage is that the person with the age macro or timer knows he or she has to step it up in order to be still in time unlike the person that does not have the age macro or timer as he or she has no clue how fast he or she EXACTLY is.

I know this is pretty far-fetched but nevertheless these are 2 advantages someone with a time tool has over someone who does not.

I would see the timer as an exception tho (even tho it is cheating) given the advantages of it are so small and its so incredably practical.
Along with a macro to pop the desired pcons for the same reasons.

[Sylars]

Not sure about the definition of cheating. It usually isn't limited to third party software, but includes in game actions aswell.

As for the timer, if I recall correctly there was a discussion about the timer being allowed or not. Conclusion was that using the timer to display the current /age is fine, but not sufficient evidience for a record to be valid.

[Luke]

come on man, cheating equals any modification that gives an advantage over a player who does not use the modification

[Chipotle]

i said read cheating tho... and under cheating u can understand anything that gives you an advantage over someone who isnt cheating.
This is what this discussion is all about right? cheating?

For example the /age macro is really usefull to know you exact time and to /age easier. I don't see how it's a cheat

For example: someone that does not know the exact time will never be able to tell if he or she will be in time for the desired goal as good as someone who does.
As a result of this the person without the timer or age macro would lose more time as the person with the timer or age macro would just resign given the fact that he knows for sure hes too slow. Another advantage is that the person with the age macro or timer knows he or she has to step it up in order to be still in time unlike the person that does not have the age macro or timer as he or she has no clue how fast he or she EXACTLY is.

I know this is pretty far-fetched but nevertheless these are 2 advantages someone with a time tool has over someone who does not.

I would see the timer as an exception tho (even tho it is cheating) given the advantages of it are so small and its so incredably practical.
Along with a macro to pop the desired pcons for the same reasons.

Technically this is true. I do agree that the timer should be seen as an exception. I would say that mike's timer favors my preference compared to the toolbox timer since it's not linked to toolbox.

@Robin
You do not seem to understand the definition of cheat. Toolbox is an excellent third-party program and certaily very helpful. For 'casual' runs I don't think anyone has a problem with the use of toolbox, including me. The point is that records shouldn't be using it. There has to be a kind of SC-code, an unwritten rule if you will, to acknowledge this. If people still want to do hacked records and claim its played without any hacks, so be it...

@Cookie
Does the new mod get a trial period? I'm not convinced Robin would qualify.

[Luke]

Thank you for seeing reason.

I think the new mod should not favor any party and should look for a compromise.

[Robin powaaaa]

If people still want to do hacked records and claim its played without any hacks, so be it...

The problem is there. People can complain about using /age macro when they can clearly see it even if the dude just used the toolbox for it but can't do shit against ppl using hack for quest or on ghost. You will never know what has been done or not.
So i don't see how we can be fair with that.

[jon comgree]

Im just waiting for the ban scythe to pick up all us toolbox users.

[Charlo]

Toolbox or not, doing a record is still hard. Even if taking quests fast or not (which save 1sec) doing a 14min Uw, 6min FoW or 20min DoA is still something hard to accomplish. It's not like in the toolbox you got some stuff which can save 1min.
Dumb discussion IMO, records are based on trust, if we don't trust ppl and we force them to make videos to be sure they didn't cheat, then enjoy the death of the gw speedy community

[Eva is impressed]

@Cookie
Does the new mod get a trial period? I'm not convinced Robin would qualify.

Why not? Because his opinion is actually defensible?

No good argument in favor of banning toolbox timer has been shown. Again, people can hack without displaying it. Showing toolbox timer is just being honest at this point. You could as well run the timer in a separate window that doesn't show up in the screenshot. Sure you'll look clean, yet you will still benefit from it. It's a fucking clock. It's not game breaking. All I can see is people so out of touch with the game they try to come with the stupidest reasons possible to fuck with what's left of the community.

From rules:

5.) The record system is founded on trust.

Community trusts the timer, and it still shows normal /age with it so there's absolutely nothing that can prevent any timer record from being valid since the ingame /age is what counts.

Even if taking quests fast or not (which save 1sec)

It doesn't actually save time on the run since you only need to take 1 quest asap, and it's autoclickable anyways so doesn't fall in the "hacks" category.

Dumb discussion IMO

/thread

[Sylars]

You may want to read what a hack is, eva.