[亡囗囗大] 7man 4min Urgoz's Warren (TAS)

[Joker]

i think people have to adjust their mindset that TAS and PURE can be comparable at all (see Teh`s argument about other games). they are completely different runs, and once people accept that, they can chose to compete in either and not have to go cry to mommy because a TAS is considerably faster than their pure. TAS is not a category to do impressive gameplay, its literally the opposite. its flexing on the game by coming up with solutions that make it far easier than what a human player could ever achieve. the mental gymnastics in this thread are wild tbh. if you hate playing pure, make a petition to bring back standard

[Gurky]

I don't like the comparison to other TAS games since they're mostly or even exclusively single player games or atleast what the TAS people do in it. The fact anet allows us to cheat in a way is nice enough, no need to push this to an extend in my opinion... I am sure this game can be hella broken like glitching through all kinds of walls etc seeing what bugs it offers and it would be super fun to see where it can go but not on the official server.

[Teh]

It's funny that you speak about TAS being mostly for single player games when games like Trackmania exist with a pretty developped TAS scene and with multiple dramas of people using TAS to get "PURE" records.

Moreover you (and others) have categorized TAS as cheating but seem to have no issues with people exploiting glitch which, by definition, is worse because it's "not intended" in the base game even though it is available. All of that because of rightly timed EE facilitated by Toolbox, which can be achieved PURE and is the result of... clever use of game mechanic.

[Joker]

I don't like the comparison to other TAS games since they're mostly or even exclusively single player games or atleast what the TAS people do in it. The fact anet allows us to cheat in a way is nice enough, no need to push this to an extend in my opinion... I am sure this game can be hella broken like glitching through all kinds of walls etc seeing what bugs it offers and it would be super fun to see where it can go but not on the official server.

im sure you farm all your pcons by hand if you claim that you dont want the economy etc being influenced by "TAS" activities (:

[keaz]

Tbh, TAS category existing is fine; having a clear separation between brain damaged fingerless players and good players who respect themselves is a nice thing to have :)

[Joker]

Tbh, TAS category existing is fine; having a clear separation between brain damaged fingerless players and good players who respect themselves is a nice thing to have

going to gatekeeping and personal insults sure is one way to admit you lost the argument, so good for you!

[keaz]

Tbh, TAS category existing is fine; having a clear separation between brain damaged fingerless players and good players who respect themselves is a nice thing to have :)

going to gatekeeping and personal insults sure is one way to admit you lost the argument, so good for you!

We've had this argument for years and nothing has changed, there's no point in continuing to argue with you clowns. Keep doing your things, you guys definetly aren't dogshit players :)

[N I N A]

Tbh, TAS category existing is fine; having a clear separation between brain damaged fingerless players and good players who respect themselves is a nice thing to have

going to gatekeeping and personal insults sure is one way to admit you lost the argument, so good for you!

We've had this argument for years and nothing has changed, there's no point in continuing to argue with you clowns. Keep doing your things, you guys definetly aren't dogshit players

Amen

[Gurky]

It's funny that you speak about TAS being mostly for single player games when games like Trackmania exist with a pretty developped TAS scene and with multiple dramas of people using TAS to get "PURE" records.

They don't cheat in races... They go for records on track as a single person -> single player and don't cheat on official servers wtf

Moreover you (and others) have categorized TAS as cheating but seem to have no issues with people exploiting glitch which, by definition, is worse because it's "not intended" in the base game even though it is available. All of that because of rightly timed EE facilitated by Toolbox, which can be achieved PURE and is the result of... clever use of game mechanic.

So you're saying you kids were basically too dogshit do to it pure? Gotcha... Glad this game exists for all the handicapped gamers out there that wanna feel good at something

im sure you farm all your pcons by hand if you claim that you dont want the economy etc being influenced by "TAS" activities (:

What does botting have to do with TAS? Also I have never in my life botted nor do I even have a 2nd account... No clue where the pcons I buy come from and I don't care

[James/SynSity]

i'm surprised people aren't genuinely at the point where they're willing to admit that toolbox functions are no longer toolbox functions. they are now what we used to call cheating/hacking. we got here slowly, by the entire community accepting it one function at a time, by those who don't use that function ignoring it, etc. i'm not innocent in all this either, but we are where we are. i'm not sure there's a better way out of this than one side of the aisle looking at the other sides' records and seeing them as dogshit. overwise we vote to disallow toolbox in record runs enitrely. it's been obvious for a while that there seems to be no middle ground between "tas pops my pcons" and "tas plays half the game for me". the standard category existed for that purpose, but with new functions being added everyday and very little regulation it seemed pointless. but now we have to move on and accept that if you post a record as TAS on here, you will be in the same category and competing against those who are willing to use literally any hack, cheat, exploit available that toolbox can provide. and the sky is seemingly the limit on that one. so as i said, the best and only way to know what was used on a record is to watch it yourself.