this comment on the 43 min Solo Fow Thread by Sakura led me to publish this long overdue opinion-comment.
Karia wrote:Here is your announcend "complainment"-comment about gold coin cheat. Be happy to achived a record which is actually none. Even if Nika will approve it i just cant respect players like you.
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I'd like to state that i am one of these people that hates the Coindrop-Bug. For me personally it ruined plenty of casual runs when people started doing things such as in fow the cave wolf or khobay with coindrop instead of using their minds and take 10 seconds more to solve the issue with good tactics.
It also ruins the enjoyment of plenty record runs simply because you nullify plenty good tactics with a stubborn, mindless one.
The sad thing is, technically one cannot forbid the useage because it is an ingame bug. In this case it might be often helped with a macro to make it easier, but that is too easy replicable. Also you can't really prove the useage, unless enough pictures show evidence or the build is chosen a bit too open.
All i can hope for is that people will find that little thing called honor and don't abuse this technique in record runs, especially those with more than 1 person in it.
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We all agreed on that the solo uw record with the bug is legit, because there is no other way of doing it.
And sadly we allowed Ninas solo fow record (47min) where he used the Minipet-drop solely for the Mo/me to lower the failrate on tengus.
For the past few months i tried to tell people that ill reject any solo fow record with coindrop, because it's kind of a cheat. But i just can't hold this statement having a 47 min solo fow as current record doing exactly that.
So now theres the problem.
The posted 43 min record is only a foreshadowing of what is POSSIBLE to achieve. You can go 39min and less.
Now here's the thing for anyone, including myself, who is interrested in competing the solo fow record. Should we put hundreds of cons and pcons into a record that has PLENTY of Luck-based parts and then end up doing a record that is like 3min slower (fastest time reachable is about 42 min) or actually cheat aswell, use only half the cons because you can cancel out half of the luck based parts.
My own answer to this question is, that having more potential competition makes things more interresting and tactic development way richer, than limiting a record that much that only 1-2 people dare touching it.
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I hope people will be honest about using coindrop and i will create new sections for records achieved without coindrop.
Also achieving a time without coindrop will always be priority over a coindrop record and thus replace the coindroprecord instead of simply tie'ing those.
To prove that a record was done without coindrop people can add a video, or use bars and tacitcs that succeed without the help of coindrop at a high rate (not including spawns of monsters, i guess you get the concept).
As i don't feel myself experienced enough with any area-record runs besides the Fissure of Woe i hope that people will start actively discussing in each topic which is not a Coindrop record.
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Some points may sound dumb, and ofcourse people are able to trick and cheat on records using coins on a "real" record. But we shall stick to our roots, and it's always been a trustbased System.
Cheaters gonna cheat.
Have a nice day and excuse any grammar errors or missspellings. I suck @ typing alot.